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 Mélanges Tamiya : Luftwaffe 1939-1945

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Mélanges Tamiya : Luftwaffe 1939-1945 par François Huot

Voici des recettes de mélanges Tamiya pour reproduire certaines couleurs principales de la Luftwaffe de 1939-45 (RLM).

RLM? C'est quoi? ReichsLuftfahrtMinisterium. Il s'agit du système Allemand de désignations des couleurs utilisées par la Luftwaffe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale.

Mélanges Tamiya : Luftwaffe 1939-1945 Cokard10
Dernière mise-à-jour: 2017-01-09

Comment utiliser les mélanges Tamiya sur ce forum voir: https://apocalypsemodels.forum-canada.com/t117-comment-utiliser-les-melanges-tamiya-sur-ce-forum

Avertissement : Certaines recettes proviennent des instructions de kit Tamiya et je les trouve bonnes mais d’autres sont faites à mon goût donc pas définitives. Elles sont seulement un guide général que vous pouvez modifier à votre guise.

Code FS (Federal Standard) donné comme référence, la couleur FS qui se rapproche le plus.

Voici des exemples de camouflages:

Bf-109G Europe 1940-1944 environ: RLM 74+75 dessus, RLM 76 Dessous
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34086+36122+36473

FW-190D Fin de guerre: RLM 82+83 Dessus, RLM"84" + aluminium non peinturé Dessous
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34138+34097+34504

Do-335 : RLM 81+82 Dessus RLM 76 Dessous
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34096+34138+36473

Recettes:

RLM 02- FS 36165 (Gris-vert)- XF22:1 + XF49:1 + XF2:2
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=36165

RLM 04 - FS33538 (JAUNE) XF3:10 + X:6:1 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=33538

RLM 65*- FS 35352 (Bleu Pâle)- XF23:3 + XF66:1 XF2:4
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35352

RLM 65*- FS 35414 (Bleu Pâle)- XF23:1 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35414

RLM 70- FS 34050 (Vert-Noir) -- XF27:5 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34050

RLM 71- FS 34079 (Vert olive) -- XF62:1 + XF49:1 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34079

RLM 74*- FS 34084 (Gris-vert foncé) -- XF24:2 + XF-51:1 + XF27:1 + XF2:4
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34086

RLM 74*- FS 34086 (Vert-Gris foncé) -- XF24:2 + XF27:1 + XF2:3
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34086

RLM 74*- FS 36118 (Gris foncé) -- XF24:10 + X14:1 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=36118

RLM 75- FS 36122 (Gris-violet) -- XF66:6+XF7:2+XF18:1+ XF2:2
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=36122

RLM 76- FS 36473 (Bleu-gris très pâle) -- XF23:1 + XF66:1 + XF2:8
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=36473

RLM 78- FS 35414 (Bleu) -- XF23:5 + XF54:2 + XF2:2
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35414

RLM 79- FS 30215 (Brun sable) -- XF59:6 + XF64:2 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=30215

RLM 80- FS 34052 (Vert olive foncé) -- XF58:6 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34052

RLM 81- FS 34088 (Brun-Violet Variante rosée) -- XF61:5+XF-7:1+ XF2:2
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34088

RLM 81- FS 34087 (Brun-Violet) -- XF62:4 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34087

RLM 82 - FS 34096 (Vert olive) -- XF61:4 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34096

RLM 83- FS 34138 (Vert Gazon) -- XF5:2 + XF3:1 + XF2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34138

RLM 84**- FS 34432 (Vert-Gris pâle) -- XF12
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34432

RLM 84**- FS 34504 (Vert-Gris pâle jaunâtre) -- XF-21:1 + XF-2:1
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34504

RLM 84**- FS 35622 (Vert-Gris pâle bleu pâle) -- XF18:1 + XF24:5 + XF2:10
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35622
À vérifier

**RLM 84 est une désignation inventée par les modéliste, n'est pas une couleur officielle mais est utiliser pour décrire des couleurs alternatives qui ont été vus sur plusieurs avions en remplacement du bleu RLM 76.

Bon site pour voir une charte générale des couleurs allemandes:
http://crn.32.free.fr/MYSTICSWORD/site/ARCHIVES/RLM%20allemand.htm
Et leurs nom officiels:

RLM -01, SILBER (argent)
RLM -02, GRAU (gris)
RLM -04, GELB (jaune)
RLM -21, WEIß (blanc)
RLM -22,SCHWARZ (noir)
RLM -23, ROT (rouge)
RLM -24, DUNKELBLAU (bleu)
RLM -25, HELLGRÜN (vert)
RLM -26, BRAUN (Brun (couleur))
RLM -27, GELB (jaune)
RLM -28, WEINROT (Bordeaux)
RLM -61, DUNKELBRAUN (brun foncé)
RLM -62, GRÜN (vert)
RLM -63v.1, GRÜNGRAU (gris-vert)
RLM -63v.2, LICHTGRAU (gris clair)
RLM -65, HELLBLAU (bleu clair)
RLM -66, SCHWARZGRAU (gris-noir)
RLM -70, SCHWARZGRÜN (vert-noir)
RLM -71, DUNKELGRÜN(vert foncé)
RLM -72, GRÜN (vert)
RLM -73, GRÜN (vert)
RLM -74v.1, GRÜNGRAU (gris-vert)
RLM -74v.2, GRÜNGRAU (gris-vert)
RLM -75, GRAUVIOLETT (gris-violet)
RLM -76, LICHTBLAU (gris clair)
RLM -77, HELLGRAU (gris clair)
RLM -78, HELLBLAU (bleu)
RLM -79, SANDGELB (jaune sable)
RLM -79, SANDBRAUN (brun sable)
RLM -80, OLIVGRÜN (vert olive)
RLM -81v.1, BRAUNVIOLETT (brun-violet)
RLM -81v.2, BRAUNVIOLETT (brun-violet)
RLM -81v.3, BRAUNVIOLETT (brun-violet)
RLM -82, LICHTGRÜN (vert brillant)
RLM -83, DUNKELGRÜN (vert foncé)
RLM -84v.1, GRAUBLAU (bleu-vert)
RLM -84v.2, GRAUBLAU (gris-vert)
RLM -84v.3, GRAUBLAU (vert-bleu)

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Lien à un autre qui a fait référence aux peintures Tamiya.
Il y a plus que juste les couleurs Allemandes, je vais sortir l'info et l'afficher aux bons endroits.

http://aerohistorians.org/Other/Tamiya_paint_mixes_4-17.pdf
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GUIDE POUR LES COULEURS INTÉRIEURS LUFTWAFFE...En Anglais, sera traduit avant sept. 2021.

PART 1-- COCKPITS


Reichsluftministrium regulations state that prior to November 1941, cockpits/crew areas were to be RLM Green-Gray 02, with the exception of instrument panels which were Gray with black instrument faces.

After November 1941, all cockpit/crew areas visible through the glazing (windows) were to be RLM Black-Gray 66. Instrument panels remained as previously stated.

Fuel lines were yellow, oil lines were brown, coolant lines were green, oxygen lines were blue and fire extinguisher lines were red. However, as with any military regulation, variations of implementation and interpretation were often seen. The following is a general guide of specific aircraft by type.

FIGHTERS


Bachem
Ba349 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Dornier
Do335 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Focke Wulf
Fw190A, F and G series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black Gray 66 * (with exception of 190A prototype)

Fw190D series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black Gray 66

Ta152 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Ta154 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Gotha/Horton
Go/Ho 229 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Heinkel
He51 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

He100 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

He112 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

He162 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

He219 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Junkers

Ju88C-2/C-3 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Ju88C-4 thru C-7/R/G series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Messerschmitt

Bf109B thru E-3 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Bf109E-4 thru K series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Me163 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Me262 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Bf110B thru E series: Cockpit areas RLM Green-Gray 02

Bf110F thru G series: Cockpit areas RLM Black-Gray 66

Me210/410 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

BOMBERS

Arado
Ar234 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Dornier
Do17E/F/M/P/Z series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Do217C thru E-3 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Do217E-4 thru P-0 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Focke Wulf
Fw200C-0 thru C-3 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Fw200C-4 thru C-8 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Heinkel
He70 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

He-lll Al Bl Cl Dl El Fl Gl Jl Pl H-1 thru H-5 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

He-lll H 6 thru H 23/R/Z(zwilling) series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

He177 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66


Henschel
Hs123 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Hs129A-0: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Hs129B/R series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66

Junkers
Ju86 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Ju87A/B/C/R series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Ju87D*/G series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66 *D-1 first 84 aircraft are RLM Green-Gray 02

Ju88A/B series: Cockpit areas are RLM Green-Gray 02

Ju88D*/H/P/S/T series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66 *approximately 660 D series aircraft produced with RLM Green Gray 02

Ju188/288/388 series: Cockpit areas are RLM Black-Gray 66


PART 2 -- WHEEL WELLS, ENGINE COMPARTMENTS, ETC...


Regulations for these interior areas were standardized, and not a lot of variation existed, except for late war fighter aircraft. This variance in the latter stage of the war was caused by a number of factors. One was due to the allied strategic bombing campaign, which caused production of aircraft to be decentralized, leading to differences depending on the subcontractor of the specific components. Another was the urgent need for fighters, and the haste with which they were produced, which caused some relaxation of compliance with official regulations in order to speed up

production. Another consideration was the remanufacturing of aircraft, in which case whole assemblies were repainted at the same time. Where variations are documented, they will appear listing the type of aircraft they were seen on. As always, this is a general guide, and your best verification will be your own reference material.


Engine Compartments
The interior of engine compartments were painted in RLM 02, with the exception of the firewall. This was painted RLM 02 on the cockpit side, but left unpainted on the engine side in most cases. All engine support braces, connecting rods and internal framework was also RLM 02. Pipelines for fuel, oil and coolant remained unpainted outside of the cockpit areas. Engines remained in the color applied by the manufacturer, usually black.


Exceptions
Photos of some Bf-109F/G/K's exist which show the interior of the cowling in natural metal, while most are RLM 02. Photos of some Fw-190D-9s and Ta-152’s show the interior of the cowling in natural metal, while most are RLM 02. Photos of some Me-262 and He-162 nacelles indicate that the interior was left in natural metal.


Fuselage
Prior to fall 1942, aircraft fuselage areas (with the exception of the cockpit) were finished in RLM 02. After fall 1942, they were left unpainted. The Alcad used for aircraft skinning material had electroplated finish to prevent corrosion, which gave it a golden sheen, similar to that on the interior of soup cans. Aluminum and other alloy areas were still given a coat of RLM 02 to prevent corrosion. However, galvanized steel was left unpainted. Equipment such as radios, fuel tanks, oxygen bottles, etc. were in the color applied by the manufacturer. Radios were usually black or gray. Fuel tanks were usually black or gray. Oxygen bottles were usually overall blue, or painted with blue stripping.


Exceptions
Repaired areas were usually painted with whatever paint stocks were available, or left unpainted.


Wings
As with the fuselage, prior to fall 1942, wing areas were finished in RLM 02. After fall 1942, with the exception of the wheel wells and flap areas, they were left unpainted. . Gun bay areas generally retained their RLM 02 paint. They exhibited the golden color of the Alcad skinning material. Aluminum and other alloy areas were still given a coat of RLM 02 to prevent corrosion. However, galvanized steel was left unpainted. Equipment such as guns, fuel tanks, oxygen bottles, etc. were in the color applied by the manufacturer. Guns were usually black or gray. Fuel tanks were usually black or gray. Oxygen bottles were usually overall blue, or painted with blue stripping.


Exceptions

Repaired areas were usually painted with whatever paint stocks were available, or left unpainted. Gun bays on late war aircraft were sometimes seen in natural metal.


Flap Areas
For aircraft with split or Fowler type flaps, the flap `well' and interior of the flap was painted with RLM 02. This is also true of the radiator flap and cowl flap areas.


Exceptions:
Bf-109B/C/D/E's usually had the underwing radiator area painted the same color as the fuselage underside. Some late war Fw-190's exhibited natural metal flap areas.

Wheel wells:
Now for the area you’ve been waiting for. Few regulations specific to the wheel well area exist, company and factories instructions usually deciding the matter. In keeping with standard practices as identified above, wheel wells and components should have been RLM 02. This includes tailwheel and nose wheel areas. Main gear and nosewheel struts were painted RLM 02, with the exception of the polished steel oleo area. Shock absorbers were a very dark gray, again with the exception of the polished steel telescopic sections. Cast and stamped wheel hubs were painted in semi-gloss black. Tailwheel hubs were usually unpainted (dark gray), or painted the underside color.


Exceptions: GreenSmile
Some aircraft that used 100 octane fuel had the starboard gear strut (and sometimes the cover as well) painted red to distinguish them from other aircraft.

NOTES: hein?
Photos Bf-109B/C/D/E/F's occasionally show wheel wells painted the same color as the underside.

Photos of Bf-109G/K's indicate the wheel wells and struts were usually RLM 76 (fuselage underside color).

Photos of some Bf-109's show main gear struts painted RLM 66.

Photos of some Bf-109's show main gear struts painted underside color.

Photos of some Fw-190A-4 and later show wheel wells painted underside color.

Photos of some late war Fw-190's show natural metal wheel wells.

Me-262's had main gear bay/cockpit tub underside left in natural metal. However, nosewheel bay and strut were painted RLM 02. Some Me-262's had the main wheel well and/or nosewheel bay painted RLM 76.

Propellers
Although not an interior area, propellers are also included. Steel prop blades were painted RLM 70 black green, while wood blades were painted RLM 71 dark green, with a semigloss clearcoat protectorent. Other late war wooden prop blades were painted in blue-gray, with the same semigloss clearcoat protectorent.

While the information provided here is by no means the definitive source on this subject, it should be a useful general guide. Remember, your best source of information is specific photos of your modeling subject!
(By  D Bellis, Largescaleplanes forums, Posted October 15, 2005)  LINK
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